Jeremiah Found Forgery in the Old Testament
The Transmission of God’s Words....Yea Hath God Said???
that Bible you trust the word of
God ? I am going to tell you
something that your minister or
teachers won't tell you about! I
know this is Old Testament, but
Jeremiah clearly stated that the
scribes didn't deliver the word
of God....but a forgery!!!! Yes,
someone has pulled a “fast
one” on you and I will present
a few cases that should warrant
your serious attention. I will
avoid the usual
“discrepancies” and will
narrow the focus primarily upon
the question, “Who actually
said it?” Was it God or a
corrupt scribe or somebody else?
Did those careful scribes
“slip” and allow forgery
into your Bible? Did you notice?
The following cases are for your
The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
delivers the law of God to the
children of Israel in
Deuteronomy 4 and writes this
law into book form in
Deuteronomy 31: 24-26 with
concrete instructions on how to
preserve this law. Yet somehow
this law still ends up missing
afterwards. Part of that law was
the 10 commandments written in
stone. Interesting that 2
tablets of stone so important as
these could be “misplaced”
for such a length of time,
Many years pass, those
priests in charge of maintaining
the integrity of this law
evidentially make up something
new that is more to the
You would think that
people would have noticed
changes, beginning with the
subtle until the more obvious
differences, but the scriptures
are silent about this. Whatever
those priest communicated was
certainly profitable enough that
they were able to survive and
stash extra money away in that
same house of the LORD that they
eventually find the law of the
What gets passed onto the
people is something other than
Moses’ law and it stays this
way at least up until the time
of King Josiah in 2 Kings 22.
2 Kings 22:8 (See also 2 Chronicles 34:14+)
And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and he read it.
Now, I find it particularly peculiar that not only did they find this “law they strongly proclaimed as the law of Moses”. They also found money in the house of the LORD. Are we to believe that money sets in the house of the LORD like it would in say a bank without anyone noticing? How believable is it that the priests could lose money for sometime without noticing? This is an amazing story that they are spinning here. Now how is this money used when found? It is dispersed to the overseers, then to the workmen (2 Chron. 34:17). Now are we to believe that workers would continue to work without getting paid in a reasonable time? Reasonable people know if you don’t pay your workers they would stop working and do what it took to get paid by those employing their services.
Later in 2 Kings 22, verse 10, Shaphan the scribe read the book to King Josiah. Interesting isn’t it, that of all places that the law of the LORD could be lost, it was in the house of the LORD. What would or should be more interesting to a priest beyond God’s word and money? They lost both! Perhaps the scribe should have claimed these were abandoned, forgotten or hidden by some rogue priest. You can insert a “blonde” joke here if you wish.
Josiah’s father King Amon was conspired against and was murdered by his very own servants. The people of Jerusalem slew those that conspired against the ungodly King Amon. Amon’s son Josiah was a godly king (so we are told). When he heard the contents of this previously unheard of book to this generation, he knew it was a different word of the LORD and he thus tore his clothes to publicly show his disgust over the wickedness that their fathers have not kept the word of the LORD. Be careful now, the king is upset! Josiah then gave the order to Hilkiah to enquire of the LORD for the king & Judah concerning the words of this book. What does Hilkiah then do? Instead of going to the LORD like a priest should and was instructed to do by Josiah (2 Chron. 34: 20-22), he and others disobey the king and goes to a prophetess named Huldah (witch). Yes, consulting a witch was strictly forbidden in the Old Testament (Deut. 18: 10-22 & Ex. 22: 18)!
To those that might challenge the notion that Huldah was a witch rather than a prophetess as the scriptures say. It appears to this ex-minister that the scriptures are defiantly bold in thinking that nobody would catch the lie they have propagated. The 2 Chron 34:22-23 passage plainly states that she dwelled in the college and her husband was keeper of the wardrobe in Jerusalem. Her husband wasn’t a priest, so what was the wardrobe for? Perhaps for college, or an esoteric society? Note the definition of prophetess in The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE) Nov. 1986 edition.
Prophetess: Women were not excluded from the prophetic office in the OT, and were honored with the right of prophetic utterance in the NT. It should be noted, however, that women like Miriam (Ex. 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4) and Huldah (2 Kings 22:14) were not credited with the seer’s insight into the future, but were called “prophetesses” because of the poetical inspiration of their speech.
Notice here that “honored with the right of prophetic utterance in the NT”. Women weren’t allowed to do this in the Old Testament. I remind you that this story takes place in the Old Testament. You would have to be a fool to deny the claim that starting with the 2 Chron 34:23 verse she proclaimed several “Thus saith the Lord’s”! Did you catch this? Women were not allowed to prophecy in the OT and that is exactly what she did. Prophets had to be a man (see I Sam. 9:9-10). So we are to believe Hilkiah the priest who disobeys the king and a women that was a witch disguised as a prophetess here by the scribes? Don’t be naďve!
Now this priest Hilkiah, had a son that was a great and godly prophet named Jeremiah, more about him later. This word of the LORD came unto Josiah in the 13th year of his reign (Jer. 1:2) and thus he was 21 years old at the time. Josiah reigned for a total of 31 years (2 Chron 34:1). Jeremiah was 20 years of age at the time of this coming of the word of the Lord read to Josiah according to the ISBE. That would make both Josiah and Jeremiah roughly the same age. Jeremiah was a straight shooter, he wasn’t on the take, he told it exactly like it was! You would have to wake up pretty early in the morning to fool Jeremiah! Notice Jeremiah’s pointed words about this forgery.
Jeremiah 8:8 & 9 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Jeremiah speaking with sarcasm here addresses those seeking to patronize him. He basically speaks to the people of Jerusalem that are insulting the intelligence of Jeremiah because they assume that he has accepted the corrupt “law of the Lord” that was given. Jeremiah continues by saying that the scribes have lied about words of the LORD. Jeremiah is plainly stating that the scribes are guilty of forgery. Jeremiah goes on to speak of God’s retribution for the perpetual backsliding (vs. 5, 10+). It also appears that since Jeremiah didn’t trust the written material that the scribes rendered, he only spoke the words that the Lord directly gave unto him to tell the people (Jer. 1:9, 2:1, 7:1, 11:1). Later since he was forbidden to enter into the house of the LORD (36:5), he had his pupil Baruch write all of Jeremiah’s words upon a roll of a book (36:4) since people tried to muzzle and kill him (38:4). Baruch read Jeremiah’s words to the people as instructed. However the king burned this book 36:23. I suggest to the reader that this is just a glimpse of the struggle for historical veracity of events. True history happens, and then the struggle begins on which way this event will be portrayed to posterity.
The message is very clear even from Biblical history that those in power choose what the people will be allowed to access and be taught in religious matters. It is crystal clear that today centuries after these and other events, that what we have been handed down cannot be respected as any legitimate representation of a divine revelation. Getting the story passed down straight even to the next generation is extremely unlikely.
Myth of the Preservation of the Scriptures
If you disagree with my diagnosis here, there is still another great question that needs to be asked. The question that needs to be asked to you dear Christian is, “Between Moses and up until Jeremiah’s time, as mentioned here, where is the word of God?” The priests that you would think you could trust were proven to not be trustworthy. Better yet, this alone proves the myth of the preservation of the scriptures. Jeremiah says that the learned wise men and ministers have been “taken Jer. 8:9” and have rejected the word of the LORD and asks, what wisdom is in them?
I remind you that those are not the words of some skeptic or atheist; it is the words of a Biblical prophet named Jeremiah. I ask you, “What wisdom is in them?”
Book of Jasher
The Book of Jasher is referred to twice in the KJV bible. First in Joshua 10:13, and then in 2 Samuel 1:18. The first usage involves Joshua commanding the sun to stand still. This is so hilarious that it seems that the scribe wanted to buttress this claim with more authority by using the Book of Jasher to prove that he just wasn’t making this stuff up. Interesting that the powers that be rejected this book’s authenticity! My point is this, if it wasn’t an authoritative enough of a book to be included into the Biblical Canon, why was it used in these two places?
King James Version Joshua 10:12-14
12Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.
Book of Jasher Chapter 88: 63-65
63 And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies.
64 And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and it stood still six and thirty moments, and the moon also stood still and hastened not to go down a whole day.
65 And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.
Mormons seem to find value in this book though!
Bible Verses: If you don’t like it, you can…
Textual criticism should be important to ministers, I certainly enjoyed my studies in this aspect of the Christian ministry. The words that the serpent utters to the woman in Genesis 3:1, “Ye hath God said” are dangerous words within the faith arena! Personally, I never understood how leaving verses out of a translation or placing them into the footnotes helped to build anyone’s faith in the Bible. Here, listed below are just 3 examples of what I mean. Since we are discussing the “Yea hath God said” concept, I think this fair game.
Leave it out!
I do not wish to take the reader into the textual criticism field. The resulting decision made by those within determines what gets included or excluded into a Bible translation. For example in the NIV Bible, Acts 8:37 isn’t listed here! Where did it go? It gets placed within the footnotes. Similar to this, also compare I John 5:7 of the KJV and the NIV as well.
Change Joseph to father KJV Luke 2:33
33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. 34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
The NASB Bible’s translation of Luke 2:33 might be of interest to you. This is referring to the baby Jesus, when you change the KJV wording of Joseph to father, you create a rather large problem for the virgin birth doctrine.. I had always thought that the father of Jesus was God, not Joseph. A subtle difference changes or questions a Biblical fundamental.
er and verse please for this OT reference?
KJV Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
This sure sounds nice, but shouldn’t there be an Old Testament verse to back this New Testament verse? There isn’t one, but many anaemic attempts to explain this problem away have been made in the process, like Judges 13:5 or Numbers 6:2! Numbers 6:2 Nazarite vow includes separation of any drinking of the liquor of grapes. Everyone knows what Jesus drank at the wedding at Cana (John 2)! Facts are facts, you can’t have it both ways!
I have tried to make this readable and understandable for all people, not as some dry seminary debate. Yes, I am aware, but I find it amazing that some would question that the Hilkiah of Jeremiah 1:1 is the father of the prophet Jeremiah. I am aware that everything in the Bible comes down to interpretation. When common sense fails to answer problems like these, I would suggest questioning the Bible’s veracity and listen to that small still voice of reason within you. Too bad that people simply cannot say that yes, I do see a problem with these things as well! Christianities public relations arm can spin almost everything in its path down to a problem of interpretation. I urge you to stop allowing these apologists to “dumb you down”. Lets face it dear Christian, either you have a perfect word of God or you have been handed down a book that makes a fool out of your intellect. I have been in your shoes; it takes real courage to admit to having been played for a fool.
To stay as a Christian means that you have to continue to allow the many interpretation problems that those of us honest seekers have had to release to retain our integrity. My hope is that you will grow weary of this struggle and do the right thing. Why? Because you can’t have it both ways!
Brian Worley Ex-Minister.org March 8, 2008 All rights reserved
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